Die A Little More Podcast
A podcast for the everyday man who loves Jesus, and is in the fight of his life for his family, friends and himself.
Die A Little More Podcast
The Intimate Journey of Knowing God
Have you ever caught yourself studying the Bible faithfully but missing the Person it reveals? That disconnection between religious knowledge and intimate relationship forms the heart of this raw, honest conversation about truly knowing God.
Relationships shape our perception of God in profound ways. The father wounds many carry unconsciously distort how we view our heavenly Father—and consequently, how we receive from Him. "The way that we view Him absolutely determines the way we receive from Him," becomes a pivotal insight that unlocks understanding of our spiritual struggles. When humans disappoint us, we often feel disappointed in God, transferring our pain onto our relationship with Him.
This episode explores a transformative spiritual practice: consciously inviting Jesus into every situation as though He were physically present. Rather than treating prayer as a formal religious exercise, what happens when we imagine opening our front door to welcome Jesus into our living room? What shifts when we read scripture not to accumulate knowledge but to discover His heart? The contrast between reading about someone and actually sitting down for conversation with them illuminates why Jesus told His disciples that having the Holy Spirit would be better than having Him physically present.
Most revealing is the parallel between our lives and the Israelites who witnessed divine miracles yet still built golden calves when Moses delayed. "I used to think these guys were stupid," one host admits, "until I realized that's exactly what I do." Our modern idols—whether relationships, achievements, or even subtle dependencies—promise security but ultimately lead to ruin. True security comes only from complete dependence on God.
The journey of "dying a little more" daily isn't about religious toughness but intimate surrender. It's about having the courage to ask God what He thinks about our situations rather than simply presenting our complaints. And perhaps most counterintuitively, submission to God's authority becomes the very key that unlocks our access to true strength and transformation.
Will you continue reading about Him, or invite Him into the room today?
Knowing him, depending on him, having him as my total source will bring me security.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, and safety and life and joy and peace, and depending on anything else will lead me to ruins.
Speaker 2:Oh, good morning, Jesus. We thank you for this day. We thank you for the opportunity to come together again and talk about the things of your kingdom, talk about the things that we walk through in life as men, and we pray that you would just give us wisdom and understanding this morning in Revelation, and we pray that you would just download into our hearts and our minds the things that you would like us to discuss today and the things that you'd like us to talk about, and pray that you would help us to work through the verses that will come and the, the stories and the, and the things that will come that we're going to be talking about today, and pray that you would help us just to navigate that holy spirit. I pray that you would just lead and guide and whoever needs to hear this, that they would, uh, that you would just prick their heart and that did, they would listen, and that you would give them ears to hear and a heart to receive and understand what you're going to do through this podcast. In Jesus' name, we pray.
Speaker 1:Amen, amen, amen, good morning.
Speaker 2:Good morning, welcome to the Die A Little More podcast.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Where every day we die just a little more.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right. And you know, it's funny, like because I think like when we created the name, we were like we were kind of being like tough about it, like we're tough guys, yeah, and I think because it's well all right, like here's the deal, Like here's behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:Right, Like we want to pretend like we're tough guys Right. Here's the deal, here's behind the scenes. We want to pretend like we're tough guys Full transparency, full transparency. Here Nobody's listening, but what I'm learning is like dude dying to ourself is actually the most intimate thing, and the tougher I am as a man, the less I'm able to do it Right it's man the less I'm able to do it Right.
Speaker 1:So it's like, the more if we. I feel like the Lord is just continually like. He's like leading me down these paths, right, he's like like tricking me essentially. Come down this path, right over here, like let's talk about this thing, know, and and gently, you know, like present, almost like we're going down a path. There's a table there, presented with this thing, right, that I need to learn about myself or I need to learn about life, and and he's like, and he shows me it, and he's just like do you want to? Well, the reality is, do you want to learn? Do you want to trust me enough to come closer to me and to know me more? Right, right, and uh, it's like it's, it's our decision and that's, that's the dying a little more. You know, it's not, it's not, it's not like tough guy stuff, it's just a clever name so you said something right now.
Speaker 2:We prayed beforehand just to send the lord help us know which way to go, and you said something right now about how the lord was.
Speaker 2:You say gently yeah okay, so let's just get it out there. A lot of us, as men, didn't really have awesome father figures right, didn't have the dads that were always there, went to the baseball games, helped you with your homework, you know. Went on hunting trips, you know. Whatever the case is, did things together. You know a lot of a lot of people. Sadly, a lot of men didn't have that to look up to, right. So I know for sure that that skews and and distorts the way we see the father right. Yeah, you know it. It can't help but do that right. The only relationship, relational things that we know in life right are examples that are taken from every single day right, right the way we, yeah, the way we interact, the way that you know we see other people interact in society and in culture, dude.
Speaker 2:So we form our own opinions off of all of those things about how we should view the father right, and I think one of the things he's doing is he's refining and purifying the way that we view him, because that absolutely okay. So here's, this is going to be good.
Speaker 2:The way that we view him absolutely determines the way we receive from him yeah always, oh, yeah, yeah right if our view of him is distorted or polluted or jaded or whatever by things that we've experienced in the past or haven't experienced in the past, that automatically gets translated to him and on him, and then we view him that way, through that filter. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I heard somebody say something like recently and I was kind of like I don't I'm not exactly sure what I think about it, but I was like I think it's right actually, and he said um, a lot of times, um, when humans disappoint us, we automatically feel disappointed in God.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's exact, that's, and I was kind of like, huh and, and so, when that's exactly what you're saying, yeah, and, and it goes for every person who you know like, has a, like a, a father wound, a mother wound, a wife wound, anything, you know, a friend wound, it's like like, unfortunately, and this is where the enemy, who is so tricky, he gets in there. You know, yeah, and, and I, I really struggled with this for a long time. I didn't even know, but my disappointment in things that happened in my life, I, I automatically just bounced it to the father right.
Speaker 2:You know why. You know, why do we think that is? I mean, it probably is a lot of reasons, but I think there's this misnomer, this misbelief, dude, that, like you know, okay, well, if God's in charge, then everything's supposed to be perfect, because God's perfect, right, like we know deep down inside that he is perfect, right, yeah, and he is holy. We're just wired and created that way, but we, we absolutely put that off on him, like this life is supposed to be some sort of fairy tale.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right and it's not, you know. And so anything that happens negatively we can easily, easily ascribe to him Like anything that's great or good or beneficial or pleasurable or any of that stuff. Like that we can like look at him and be like, yo thanks, that was great, god right. Automatically it's like, almost like, without even thinking about it. But when things don't go the way they're supposed to, it's easy to shift the blame and put it right off on him, instead of us looking into ourselves and seeing what we had to do with it and what part we had to play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's hard that to live in a world where, like, we know God's perfect and we know God's all loving, but then we also see like things go bad, you know, and get very painful, and so we're trying to like reconcile that yeah you know, and get very painful, and so we're trying to like reconcile that. Yeah, the hard part is or maybe just it takes hard work is to go. You know what, like people have free, will you know, and people can do devastating things.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's, it's, but it's and it's totally separate from God. You know, yeah, and one of the things I've been struggling with or thinking about is, like, as I've got, like, if I'm like in a moment of hurt or pain or whatever, or disappointment, like have I completely, like just forgot, like all the things about God that I know that are true, you know, because I feel like I'll just I throw everything out.
Speaker 2:Well, I was going to say how fast does all of that go out the window?
Speaker 1:Exactly exactly. Yeah yeah, yeah, and it's like I heard somebody say something like you know, when you're going through a trial, like how close you stay to God is, is like how much you know, how much connection you have with God is like how much like you're you're really believing, you know.
Speaker 1:it's like we and he was saying we momentarily like forget the things, we believe you know, and I do that all the time, and then I come back to like, wait a minute, like I thought I believe, and that's why I think it's important for us to stay in the scriptures, reading all the time, whatever, listening to the word or whatever, because it needs to be fresh in our mind, and then we need to be reminded like oh yeah, like I believe, like god is going to work all these things out for my good, you know, like, yeah, because we forget it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and and that's isn't that weird like we I say it to you all the time I'm like, oh, yeah, like I'm supposed to be a believer, like I'm supposed to believe these things and I have just totally, apparently I've forgotten all of them in the moment and maybe that's, like you know, being triggered. You know, like our brains are hijacked, you know, and we also get hijacked. Like the first thing that's going to go is probably anything spiritual that we know. You know the enemy's going to want to like just throw some water on that fire, you know yeah yeah so that's actually a scripture which you said.
Speaker 2:It's psalm 103 too says praise the lord, oh my soul, and forget not all his benefits. And it goes yeah. Who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion, who satisfies your desires with good things so that your youth is renewed like the eagles.
Speaker 1:And it goes on and on, yeah, you know, the other thing is like I think I and we all in our culture like we think like we should just be like super, like pampered in this life. You know, like this life is all about me and it going well for me, me being successful, me doing all these things. But it's like I said this to you the other day. I was like I think that the hardest part of being a believer and a follower of Jesus is that he's actually calling us into being like him.
Speaker 1:So it's like like literally in those moments when we're like so hurt and like there's so much pain or there's so much, you know somebody could just whatever cuts us off. You know, uh, somebody could just whatever cuts us off. You know, emotionally, physically, whatever you know what I mean. Like we're not. Maybe, like you know, in that moment we're thinking, like we're supposed to like, oh, now, my life is like uncomfortable, you know what I mean, but it's like it may be in that moment. Okay. Not maybe in that moment we're supposed to bring Jesus to that thing.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I mean Through our own actions.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, think about it right, we're supposed to be like Jesus, right, we're supposed to be a mirror of him, right, a direct representation. Right it's like the John 13 to 15 narrative, right where it's like I'm the vine near the branches, he is in me, I am in him, I am in you, you are in me. That whole, that whole exchange, right where it's like like, really, the bottom line and the honest, cold, hard truth is that we don't know how to handle situations properly like Jesus. It's because we're just not spending time with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean like, like, so take our friendship, for instance, right, I don't mean that to be like harsh, harsh, but it's, it is. It is a bucket of cold water to the face. It is a bucket of cold water to the face, you know, like, in our friendship it's like, the longer we know each other, the closer we become, right, like, to guard our relationship and to be, you know, tending the garden, let's just say, of our relationship. Because, like, just look at it, like we're both farmers, right, yeah, our friendship is the garden.
Speaker 2:So it's like, you know, if we don't pay attention to it, right, find out all the things that are bad for what we've planted, you know, find out all the things that are good, that would help and be beneficial to it. It's like, if we're not constantly going back and forth and realizing and recognizing these things about each other, there's no way that we can maintain a healthy relationship. Yeah, right, yeah, and after a while it just becomes you just sort of get stuck on autopilot because, like you've done it so much, it just becomes commonplace, right, or? The lord is actually calling us to that, right, where he's. This is the point of spending time with him every day, you know I I think we get over religious about the whole thing.
Speaker 2:Dude where we're like it's just got to be like angels singing and like choirs and cathedrals and all this other stuff, and it's like you're, you're. You know you can speak to a little bit more about what you've been doing, but I mean you've, you've been making some changes in your own prayer life. You've been sharing with me about making it more personal with Jesus, where it's like, look, let's just, let's just, can we just just drop all this stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Drop the facade, drop all the weird, like everything. Like he literally just wants to spend time with us, like he's there as a friend. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then, by way of that friendship, we realize who he is, that he is the Lord, right, and then all of his benefits, right. But why don't you speak to that a little bit too, because I think that's really crucial for people to understand, and it's going to sound you know, it's going to sound. I don't know, however, it's going to sound, but you know it makes total sense you know, because it's what you're, what you're about to talk about is it's literally changing your heart, posture, the way that you view the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, I, I, you know, that is something I it's cool I did want to talk about too on the podcast. Was you know? It's been told to me my whole life and I've, I've done it most of my life. I don't know, maybe most of my life is, you know, like spend spending time with the Lord, like reading the Bible, and I definitely I've just learned, you know, over time and more recently, just like it's's. So it is not about this is weird, gonna sound weird. It's not about spending time reading your bible. Actually, that's good, that is good, but there's another level, you know, and it's not another level like a better level, but what I've just had, this like revelation, like recently, is like I'm not reading this book. To be like I read the book and I know what it says.
Speaker 1:I need to read the book so that I know his heart and I know him, you know like when you read through any of the Bible, you know it is God's, one of God's, one of the ways that God reveals himself to us, you know, through his word it's what he gave us. So it's like it's the easiest connection point, you know. And so what I've been doing is, like God, I was, you know, reading, reading, reading, reading it. And then I was like God, I don't want to just read this book like it's a book, so that I know this book, like I want to know your heart, you know. And so I like, and I started envisioning. So I was sitting in my living room and you know, the front door is right there and I remember that verse that says like I stand at the door.
Speaker 1:And so I was like all right verse that says like I stand at the door and you know, yeah, and so I was like all right, and I, I like, I think that I probably, yeah, I think I did do this like the first time, like, all right now this is gonna get weird or something, or maybe it's not, I don't know, but like I literally physically went to the door, opened the door, you know, like out of out of, almost like out of, like lord, I'll do anything you know right to connect with you know like out of out of, almost like out of, like Lord, I'll do anything you know to connect with you.
Speaker 1:And I like opened the door, you know, and I was like come in, you know, and and I like envisioned the Lord coming in and sitting in this chair, you know, and he's kind of like sitting across from me, and I was like Lord, like I want to read this book so that you are revealed to me, so that I know you more. And I've started like envisioning that every day, you know, so I don't open the door every day but like I sit there.
Speaker 1:I go get my coffee in the morning, I sit down, I open my Bible and I, oh yeah, oh yeah, and I like envision the door opening, I envision inviting Jesus to come into the room, like, like.
Speaker 1:I had this, like like thought one day this was years ago that I was like I was standing in a circle with, like some people and I was like, and you know, they're like right there, you know, and I was like you know, it's crazy At one point, like Jesus was a man like which is like duh, but I was like he was a dude, like he stood in a circle like this, like with other dudes, you know, and um, and then I was like and he still is, you know, and like anyways, and I was like, so I like invite him into the room as if he's another human in the room. You know, the man, jesus is sitting across from me. And now I'm going to like read and as I'm reading, I'm kind of like going this is about you, this is who you are, this is your heart. You know, it's not like about you know. I read three chapters and I'm, you know, working my way through Psalms.
Speaker 2:It's like you know, and and it's not.
Speaker 1:That's also not bad, but I want to encourage people to like to try to go deeper, you know, because also like we can use that in the wrong way, you know, like we could be like dude I read through the whole Bible this year, yeah, yeah, and you feel pretty proud about that, you know, and then I can use the verses against you. You know, because I know some stuff about you.
Speaker 2:I can smash you, but like it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like now we're using it for all the wrong reasons, you know. It's like it is there to reveal who God is to us, like who his heart is, you know, so that we can, like, commune better with him. You know, so that he can change us, so we can be like, oh man, oh, you know, like I am not like that and this is who you are and you are trying to change me into that, you know.
Speaker 2:So I got a story that goes along with that. I was talking to another brother the other day and we were. The conversation went this way and we were talking about some things that are similar to like what we're talking about right now, and I was listening to a podcast, um of another pastor that I listened to and and he said that he had one night he had this dream and in this dream he walked into this library. There are books all on the wall and there was this one book that was sitting on the table and he and he looked up and he saw his wife's father standing there right and he came over to him and pointed to the book and said everything you need to know about my daughter, which is his wife, right, is in this book. Like if you want to learn about her heart, her emotions, her past, whatever it is, it's like everything that you need to know about her is are in the pages of this book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right. So he sits down and opens the book and starts reading the book, right, and goes through it all and at one point I'll try and cut it shorter and make it not so long, like it was on the podcast I was listening to. But at one point, like a door opens behind this father and he's like, and in walks his wife right, and she's trying to get his attention, but he keeps telling her I'm hold on, I've got to read, I'm learning about you right now, right, and she keeps trying to get his attention and he keeps telling her that hey look, I'm trying to read about you right now.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to get to know who you are right, yeah and so then I think, the father came over dude and closed the book and the whole point of it was it's like like we take so much time to read, but what do we do when he's like actually standing in front of us? Right dude are we going to take the time? Because the written word it just is is him, it's all about him in one way, shape or form, right. But when he walks in the room, yeah, and becomes real, are we going to be able to put the book down right?
Speaker 2:yeah and actually divert our attention to the one, that is, the book, to get to know him and who he is yeah right, that's it. It's huge, bro. So huge because it's like, yes, he wants us to read the written word, but why do you need the written word when the one is standing in front of you?
Speaker 2:yeah right yeah this, this written word is just to lead you to the one right, right, and at that some point he is revealed and becomes super real to you because you've, you've. This written word is just to lead you to the one Right, right, and at some point he is revealed and becomes super real to you because you've been studying about him. The Holy Spirit opens your heart through the word so you understand and recognize who the person of Jesus is. Well, at that point, dude now it becomes super personal dude.
Speaker 1:So now, that he's in the room what are we going to do?
Speaker 2:Yeah, personal dude.
Speaker 1:So now that he's in the room. What are we going to do? Yeah, you, I was. I was going to look it up, but I don't know where it is. But I know it reminds me of the verse when Jesus said to the Pharisees you search these scriptures to find, you know, life and I, I am the fulfillment of those scriptures.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And you and you, you know. So it's like they were actually searching the scriptures for, like the sake of searching the scriptures, to like, try to, and, and he was there. He showed up, you know, and they were so into knowing, knowing the scriptures, that they couldn't see the Christ who was standing right in front of them, like when he was in the temple, like reading the scroll of Isaiah dude right.
Speaker 2:And he said in today, and you're carrying the scriptures, these scriptures are fulfilled yeah right he was. He was doing the same thing where he's like look like I'm here, you don't need this anymore, right? It basically is what he was saying yeah, right, great to study, yeah, but when the one that it's written about is standing in front of you. You no longer lead the written.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I mean I don't. I think we're not saying like don't read the Bible, but Right Of course not it's. It's just it's like a different, like like we need to grow from reading the Bible so that we know the Bible. Cause that's what I think the Pharisees were doing. They were like saying like bro, I know the bible, like what's up, like what do?
Speaker 1:you want, I'll quote you chapter and verse, right, and it's like meanwhile they weren't living it. And that's the difference. It's like what you're saying it's when jesus comes and when he, when he confronts us about something in our life, the dying a little more, and and we don't do it, it's because maybe we're just searching scriptures to know the scriptures you know, instead of actually going like uh-oh.
Speaker 1:Like you remember, we used to me and Brian used to always listen to Pastor James McDonald yeah, and I love this and I was like if I ever taught at a church, this is the first thing I would say. He goes, everybody, put your hands up in the air and point at yourself like.
Speaker 2:This is the beginning of his message, you know, and he would say who is this?
Speaker 1:who is the bible about? Like, who is this message about? It's about you, it's not about. We're not gonna read this thing and be like, oh bro, this part right here is so about you, like you totally need help with this, or I'm gonna call my so-and-so and tell him about this first. No, like it's about you, yeah and I think it bounces off us a lot and so many and everybody like it just bounces right off and we go like well, I know who could use this word right, well, I'll ultra modernize it, dude.
Speaker 2:I'll put it in in words that everybody can understand you and I can text back and forth on our phones, right, and have a full-on conversation, but I'm not going to sit across the table from you and text you.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like there's no point Right, like at that point, like you are actually physically there. Yeah, so I put my phone down and begin to have a conversation with you yeah, that's good Instead of sending you messages. Yeah, like, why am I? Yeah, so I put my phone down and begin to have a conversation with you, yeah that's good. Instead of instead of sending you messages like why?
Speaker 2:why am I going to do that right now? Like you said, this isn't. We're not saying like don't read your word or anything like that, because the entire bible is about jesus, right like. He's the fulfillment of all the scripture.
Speaker 2:He's he's the written word and he's the spirit part of the word right yeah so it's like he absolutely is going to lead you to scripture, to read it, to confirm things, or to show you things, to help you learn and understand things where you're at in your life, and all of that. So we're absolutely not saying like, don't read your word for sure, but the whole point of this walk, dude, is to get to know him and the person, yeah, yeah, exactly Of who he is Exactly Right, Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's an interesting mix. It's like we should know that whole book. We should know it. We should know it like really good, you know, like it's almost like a twofold approach, it's like one. You should know it like it because it is the word that he chose to give to us. Yeah, and it is all about him. And, like people say, like you could find jesus, you know, in on every page.
Speaker 1:You know, um, but there is another level of knowing him. You know, like. You know, I think like that, when jesus was talking to the disciples and I think this is such a crazy verse he said, um, you know, I'm gonna go away, you know, and he said it's better that I go away. And I was thinking like that had to be the dumbest thing that the disciples ever heard.
Speaker 1:Right they were like that sounds like the stupidest thing ever, jesus, you know like, yeah, but what did he say? So that another helper can come? The holy spirit, right, which is what we have. And he was saying it's hard to even imagine because it's like he. What he was saying was it's better to have the holy spirit than to have me, jesus, the man who in person, which is just bananas sounding like to us humans, but it is the truth and it's what we have. We have that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think all the time I'd be like, oh, I think it'd be better if, like Jesus was like the man was sitting in my truck every day with me while I go to work. But, yeah, interesting, right, yeah, but yeah, interesting, right, yeah, I think, like inviting him into, like consciously inviting him into all of our situations, like opening the door, you know, inviting him into the room and asking him to like reveal himself. You know, in the spirit, you know what I mean is so important. Or, lord, walk through this door with me into work. You know, in the spirit, you know what I mean is so important.
Speaker 2:Or, lord, walk through this door with me into work you know, Um, what do you, what do you think that that's done for you personally, during the length of time that you've been doing that, and you made that switch and that difference, looking back on how things used to be versus how they are now. What are, what are some of the biggest takeaways and the biggest things that have changed in you from from making that shift to to purposely like being like you're here right now?
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's exactly what we were talking about before we turned on the microphones. Uh oh, it's just like I have. I have like lived my life a lot like wanting to depend on other things besides him and not even knowing it. You know, and like I've, I'm learning, you know that depending on him, like knowing him, depending on him, having him as my total source, will bring me security.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, and safety and life and joy and peace, and depending on anything else will lead me to ruins.
Speaker 1:you know, and so I've learned I'm learning over time that the more you know I depend on him and the more I invite him to be my all in everything like, the stronger I am like the more secure I am, the more strengthened I am, you know I am, the more strengthened I am, you know, like, as I invite him to, you know, be my provider, or my best friend, or my whatever, you know like it's. There's a humongous difference, you know, and when I depend on anything else, I always like just it's a total crash and burn you know, and so over time I I'm learning.
Speaker 1:It's like I've learned it in waves, you know, and even maybe I've learned it, and then I've gone back to other things you know and um, oh man, I wrote this song. I don't know if I've ever shared it with you, but it reminds me of this. I kind of recorded it, sort of sort of the other day. Maybe we'll do we dare say this on the podcast why not?
Speaker 1:you said everything else we've said this. Like you know, we write songs every once in a while. We're like we got to like record these things and put them on the podcast, you know yeah um, but I wrote this song called idols you know, and, and I think the first line is like I, I've worshiped all these idols in vain, and all they've brought to my life is pain.
Speaker 1:Um you know, and they've left me brokenhearted, uh, on my right, down on my face, or on my face right where, right back where I've started, you know, um. And then the chorus is like you are my god, I will trust in you alone. You are my savior, I'll worship you alone. I can trust in you, jesus, because you've never let me down.
Speaker 1:But all these idols that I've fallen for, they're nowhere to be found but I can trust in you you know, um, but dude, it's so funny Cause, like I think of in the old Testament and like I read, like about the Israelites, and they're like they see like God do something amazing and then like two sentences later they're like making a calf out of gold and worshiping it, and I used to think like, like bro, what these guys are stupid, like hawaiian.
Speaker 2:How, in the world, right, right, like you, literally just saw him be a pillar of cloud by day and fire by night, dude and split the red sea. Manna falling from heaven, quail and stuff appearing out of nowhere like water out of a rock, I mean you, their sandals, the shoes on their feet and their clothes that they wore, never wore out the entire time they were in the wilderness, I mean. Except you would think that you'd be somewhat convinced, right?
Speaker 1:right, except right, yes, yes, yes, except that's what I do. I think that's what we all do and I think, like that's why it's in the book, you know it's. It's a picture of what we do, like if we're not careful, if we're not really really careful, it's like I think that's why it's in there. It's like I think that's why it's in there, it's not. And this is what's so funny. It's like immaturity goes. These guys, like what you know and I'm not saying I'm mature, but as I'm maturing, I'm like oh, I have done that. I could totally do that. I could see myself, I could totally do that.
Speaker 1:I could see myself doing it, I could feel myself going there right now If I'm not careful, in spite of the cloud by day and the pillar by night and all the things that God has done, I'm like you know what would be cool right now If I made a golden pig and I just started worshiping that stupid thing pig and I just started worshiping that stupid thing. Sounds like a great idea, right? What?
Speaker 2:uh, we keep it real super left field right, keep it real right here super left field. Yeah, like so you built a golden pig and you're worshiping it and it's like what? Yeah, but I mean that's sort of what we do anyway, right, Anytime we divert away from our relationship with the Lord or whatever else, it's essentially what we're doing. We're erecting an idol to pay more. It's anything that we pay more attention to than the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally yeah. I heard somebody talking about it the other day, like in a sermon, and they were like saying like, as soon as God didn't give them what they wanted, they said to Aaron when Moses was up on the mount make us another God who will give us.
Speaker 1:What we want is essentially what they were saying and I'm like like, like it may even be like this, this, this may be even how intimately intimate this stuff is. I had a bad day at work. I come home and I get on social media and I'm like show me something to make me feel better, cause I don't feel good right now. Right, and I'm not even saying it's like sinful things, like you know whatever, but it could just be anything that it's like I don't feel loved, I don't feel good right now, and it's like I'm going to click to something else you know, you just brought up a good point.
Speaker 2:I was thinking, as you were saying right now, it's like what was the major difference? Why did they say to build a calf, dude, right? Well, she says moses was the only one that had a relationship with god. Yeah, I mean, honestly, you know. Yeah, like I mean, to them, god was the thing of legends, dude, right, it's like this is just what we've always, the stories we've always been told, you know what I mean. The stories have been passed down around the campfire at night of, like, you know, all of whatever, and it's like, really, moses was the only one that had a relationship with God. Yeah, right, so they went back to what they knew from being in Egypt in captivity.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, which is a really interesting point you're saying because and I'm thinking, yeah, but they were watching God do stuff. Okay, so that's really interesting. Right, they were watching God do stuff physically for them, yet they still had no connection with him whoa, yeah, so it's what it's.
Speaker 2:Just you're, you're amazed by the awe and wonder dude of like these signs and wonders that are happening in front of you. But if it's devoid of relationship, like there is really no awe and wonder yeah of what he's doing, yeah it doesn't last long, right?
Speaker 2:well, it's like okay, so like, let's take it down to the father thing, dude. Okay, so, like you know, you're somewhere with like your kids and there's other fathers in the park doing stuff. I mean, your kids are watching them, right, potentially do stuff, but it's oh well that dad's doing that with their kid, right, or whatever else like that. But if you do the same thing, they're looking at you like that was like the most amazing thing, right?
Speaker 1:now.
Speaker 2:Like we had so much fun today when we were doing this or doing that or whatever right because there is a relationship with you as their father. So all the cool stuff that the other dads were doing or just like it's just whatever they're just doing stuff took on a whole new meaning when they were doing that same stuff with their father yeah, right, yeah, and I think this goes back to what we were saying.
Speaker 1:It's like there's like a difference between just like reading the word right and then reading the word to know him. Yeah, you know, and yeah, one of the things I've been doing lately is, instead of like, if I'm praying about something, because generally my prayers are like complaint lists- and another thing.
Speaker 1:We need one of those like do-do-tsh, like things, you know, like that button we can push and like there's a cool sound effect, but um, that's, it's not even a joke, it's real Um, but, um, um. So I've I, because, because, like I want to get to know him and so I've thought I've, I've prayed, like here's my, I've done my complaint list or whatever, all right, and as I'm in my complaint list with him, I I somehow at some point this came into my brain to ask him what he thinks he thinks about what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a dangerous thing. Uh-huh, it's a loaded lit stick of dynamite?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's like Lord, I am like you know, I'm so frustrated about this thing or this person and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and on and on and on, and then, like, when I finally get like my bearings, you know, I go what do you think? And that's when it gets real. And it is almost always opposite of what I think, because I'm like fired up with emotions, you know, and I'm fired up with like all my stuff, dude, and then he's like I think this, you know, and if we can get to that point where we get to know him and what he thinks, then we can change the way we think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, so the renewing of our minds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's exactly. Yeah, I know know. I thought like yesterday when we were like planning on the podcast, I was like I just want to talk about renewing our minds again, like it's so, it's not even. We haven't even like don't even scratch the surface soon but oh, this is so funny.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was thinking about this too. I heard this clip. It was like I wish I had it, like we could play it. But is this lady? And she was like giving like a Ted talk or something, I don't know. She was like a scientist and she goes. And she goes um, she goes.
Speaker 1:I have a friend and she's like in like a neuroscientist, so like a brain scientist or whatever, and she uh did this like paper on um meditation and she she's like I'm a real scientist, so I don't believe in that stuff. You know what I mean. She goes. But then I saw her research and she goes, she goes. They had these people like meditate for like 20 minutes every day and she said like in, like I don't know what it was, 30 or 60 days. She said it changed the like chemistry of their brains and it also grew brain cells. And the lady goes, this thing changed, not only changed people's minds, but it renewed their mind. It grew new brain cells, literally. And I was like yeah, yeah, that's called spending time with god, and and I and I always think I always love it when I see science actually proving- yeah, what god's saying, because god's like spend time with me.
Speaker 1:You know like, and everybody's in every, all christians know like.
Speaker 1:As we spend more time with him, then he then you know we, whatever we get peace, we call it peace, you know? Or like, oh, like, I just feel better after I spend time with him, then he, then you know we, whatever we get peace, we call it peace, you know? Or like, oh, like, I just feel better after I spend time with the lord. Yeah, that's it. It's a, it's a physical thing and a spiritual thing, but it was cool because I was like this lady did a scientific study about meditation and I don't know what they were meditating on, but even just peaceful thoughts and whatever, whatever, even that which is basically the act of prayer and the act of spending time.
Speaker 2:Because most people would probably be like focus on the higher power.
Speaker 1:Even that's close enough, but we know the higher power. Yeah, that's cool, yeah, it's wild. Yeah, it's wild, it's wild. Yeah, I thought about that verse again too, that we talked about last time. But the total reformation of how we think, oh yeah, yeah, that's a banger yeah, that's, yeah, that's a loaded bomb dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's so many aspects of that dude, without getting too far into it, I mean it's, it's. He literally, like, dissects us every single day, right, well, I mean okay, so I didn't went ahead and said it, so I gotta say the scripture right, it's what the word of god is sharpened, double-edged sword able to divide the soul and the spirit even into the marrow right, like it gets to the nitty-gritty right the nacho libre, yeah, yeah yeah, no, like, yeah, but it it.
Speaker 2:basically it gets to the very core of anything that it touches or it's exposed to, right? So any thought we're having, any emotion we're having, any way of life, anything is like when you introduce the word of God to it, it will absolutely, every time, go right to the core of whatever that thing is.
Speaker 1:And I think it takes true bravery and we're going to call it manhood.
Speaker 2:Bold.
Speaker 1:Bold To actually listen to the Lord about what he's saying about ourselves, because I think he's always speaking and he's always like. I don't really think that that's what you should be doing, you know, and we're just like whatever Like, and it takes a total. Total, you know, and I'm I'm just saying man, because I think it's most of our audience. But womanhood too, it takes a beast of a woman. Same thing to actually hear the lord say something about, about who we are and what we need to change and how we're not. We don't, we're not thinking like him, you know or he like that's actually not my heart on that issue.
Speaker 2:What we think of being a man is in terms of like, like we've said before, you've got to lift weights, you've got to go hunting, you've got to drink beer, you've got to wear an American flag hat, all this other stuff, right, I mean there's all these things, dude, that the world defines as what a true man is dude, and it's like. No, it's like. You grab your bootstraps, dude and right and and a real man when he's faced with questions about who he is and who god is, or presented with the like hey, man, I need god saying I need to change this or I need to do this like. A real man is able to, to take the reins of his life with the direction of the holy spirit and help institute change in the way that we think, the way that we act, the way that we treat others yeah, right I mean that's, that's essentially what a real man is.
Speaker 2:Do you realize that you're frail and that his ways are not our ways, and you're willing to take the steps necessary to make the changes that he's asking you to make?
Speaker 1:yeah, you brought this up the other day. I don't remember exactly what it was, but and I've been thinking about a lot too it's just, it's that word submission, you know. And when you were saying that, I was just like thinking. You know, we like to think like, like we're the boss of our life, right, like I'm the I don't know. And the reality is, as believers, like we are, we have a king that we serve, and a true, a true like warrior man is always under a king right like they Like.
Speaker 2:they're not just like a lone Ranger, I mean unless they're the lone Ranger.
Speaker 1:But uh right.
Speaker 2:They'll walk around like mercenaries all the time.
Speaker 1:Right, just doing whatever they want, right. But we are not that. So we are under the Lordship of God.
Speaker 1:And when he when you know it's like in the military, if there's like the top dude and he's telling one of his guys, hey, like, look, there's this thing that you do. You know, let's work on that. Like you are under submission to that person. You know, and I think that that that actually makes a true warrior is somebody who's submitted to somebody else. You know, because that person and we have god, the creator of the universe, like whispering into our ear, like this is my heart. On that issue you need to come into alignment with me, you know. I mean, that's, that's a mission thing well, it's like in the military.
Speaker 2:I mean it's. You know, they have everything that they need to empower man or woman to be the best that they can be right in all areas, right, but you don't get that unless you submit to the authority yeah but the the submission is actually the key that opens the door to the greater authority.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:Right, you guys would be running your own program, right right, yeah, that's really good, that's really good yeah. That was really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so yeah, lord, help us to submit, lord, help us to hear what you're saying, lord, help us to submit, lord, help us to hear what you're saying, lord, like in the most intimate ways in our lives. Lord, we know you care for us, lord, and the only reason why you tell us things is because if we do things your way instead of our way, we know it's going to be a better result. We've run our own courses so many times, lord, like. Just give us the ability to relent, lord, from our own program, from the ways that we think, lord, that total reformation of how we think, and even like, repent about it, like, have a repentance where we'd be like I used to think like this and now I don't, you know, or like and it's a choice. You know like I'm, I used to think this way and now I think this way.
Speaker 1:So, lord, just empower us to um just to incorporate that into our every moment of our every day. Lord, as we walk into work, as we walk into a restaurant.
Speaker 1:Lord, as we see other people or you know, interface with other people, lord, that Lord just be whispering in our ear like what you want us to do, how you want us to be, and, lord, we want to just come more into submission, lord, and just die to all those things, lord, that are actually bringing us death. They're not bringing us life, lord, so bring us life, god, as we go this week and just bless everybody who's listening and yeah, in Jesus' name, amen, amen, amen, until next time, peace, peace, thank you.